13-03-09 Quite obvious?

Let
x be a real number, and let e > 0. Then there
exist integers p and q > 0 such that

|x-p/q| < e

This might seem obvious! but try to prove this.. It is not very difficult either.

31 Answers

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Lokesh Verma ·

think of it like this

if x is a rational.. then the answer is obvious :)

x=p/q

now what can you say if x is irrational?

1
Rohan Ghosh ·

one thing for x as negative just write x=-x and p = -p we need to prove the same almost now

1
Rohan Ghosh ·

what an old problem this was !

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Lokesh Verma ·

Yup this was exactly what I was looking at :)

1
Rohan Ghosh ·

let us take first x as a positive real

now let us take p as n

then the real number x-n/q will be left of x ..

It has to cross the zero mark at some point :) so let the value of n such that the expression is nearest to zero and positive be N

then

x-N/q>0 but x-(N+1)/q <0

where as the differenvce between the two is just 1/q

so we have x-N/q <1/q

there are two cases

i) e>1/q

If this is the case then observe that x-N/q <1/q and positive too and hence we get p and q such that

|x-N/q| < e

ii) e<1/q

now as e is real e has to be greater than zero ! so e will be greater that 1/kq where k is an appropriate integer

then now we select again q as kq and do the same

now x-N/kq>0 and x-(N+1)/kq <0

so we have

x-N/kq<1/kq<e

thus as both are positive

|x-N/kq|<e

so in both cases we get p and q such that the following condition is satisfied

9
Celestine preetham ·

i dont know y u are repeatedly asking proof for such an evident thing byah

wen irrational

p/q <e +x ( x >p/q)

p/q > e+x (x <p/q)

have solutions

1
skygirl ·

k...

62
Lokesh Verma ·

it does not matter if e is rational or irrational.

1
skygirl ·

is e rational ? [i dun think it wud at all mater]

1
skygirl ·

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62
Lokesh Verma ·

so how do you prove for irrationals?

1
skygirl ·

:P sry for that stupid post :P

62
Lokesh Verma ·

well that is what we have to show

there exists a p and q such that

LHS is < RHS :P

1
skygirl ·

but ur q says |x-p/q| < e !!

how x=p/q ?

then e=0.

but u said e>0...

@!$#%^Q@##!!@$#!!!!!!!!!! [12]

62
Lokesh Verma ·

because every rational number can be written as p/q :P

1
skygirl ·

y x=p/q ?

21
tapanmast Vora ·

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skygirl ·

|x- p/q| < e

1) [x-p/q] < e => p/q > (x-e)
p>0 , q>0 => p/q >0
if x<e, p/q ε (0,∞)
if x>e, p/q ε (x-e , ∞)

2) [p/q - x] < e => p/q < (e+x)
so, p/q ε (0 , e+x)

what more [12]

1
archana anand ·

you give the solution bhaiya[1]

62
Lokesh Verma ·

What is obvious to you might not be obvious to me [3]

9
Celestine preetham ·

sorry its too obvious to type [3]

62
Lokesh Verma ·

celestine .. what do you mean by adjusted!!

That is what the question is..

you have to find the "adjustment" [3]

9
Celestine preetham ·

if x ≥ e then p/q can be adjusted to make it anything less than e upto 0 also

if x<e then its obvious

62
Lokesh Verma ·

corrected the question .. that went wrong due to html formatting :P

1
skygirl ·

is the q complete?
i mean wat is 'e' ?

1
voldy ·

is it this or waht bhaiya ??? significance of e kya hai ?

\left|x- p/q \right|> e

62
Lokesh Verma ·

haha..

nahi it is for everyone [1]

24
eureka123 ·

""for everyone who is dropping""...............
iska ishara meri taraf to nahin hai naa sir??????[9][9]

62
Lokesh Verma ·

now this should be tried..

for everyone who is dropping or in class xii...

21
tapanmast Vora ·

ThankYou Sir!!! [1] [8]

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