Constraint relations

In the given arrangement pulley P1 and P2 are moving with constant speed vo downward and the centre of the pulley P lies on the principal axis of a convex mirror having radius of curvature R. Find the speed of image of pulley P when it is at a distance x from the surface of convex mirror in terms of vo, R, x and θ

I am stuck up in finding the velocity of the pulley P3.

Here is my attempt-

Let xo and xp be the distances of Pulley P1/P2 and Pulley P3 from the support at any instant.
I used constraint relations to obtain-

2xo + 2xpcosΦ + 2xo = Total length of the string,
Now considering the change in lengths and differentiating,
4vo + 2vpcosΦ - 2xpsinΦ = 0
so that vp= (2vo + xpsinΦ)/cosΦ

At the instant given, vp= (2vo + xpsinθ)/cosθ,

According to the solution, v = 2vo/cosθ

Can somebody find out my mistake?

Any help appreciated

9 Answers

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swordfish ·

Somebody help me!!

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sachin rawat ·

i think u had not done the diffrentiation correct......

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swordfish ·

4xo + 2xpcosΦ = L

If we differentiate

4vo + 2vpcosΦ - 2xpsinΦ = 0

Both Φ and xp are variables.
Whats wrong?

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Subhomoy Bakshi ·

If v is the vel of the P3

then we would have,

v cosθ = 2vo

then evrythng follows!!

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Subhomoy Bakshi ·

i will give my theory...as i am no-so-good at finding mistakes...

so the pulley P1 elongates the string length by 2vo whilst the pulley P3 shortens it by vcosθ

since string length is const in this 1 sec,

2vo-vcosθ=0

giving relation..

same relation for the other pulley also! :)

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Subhomoy Bakshi ·

the figure of the problem is here:

(provided by swordfish! I wonder why he calls himself so! )

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swordfish ·

Thanks for your time ATGS!
Even I got the same as you told...2vo=vcosθ by simply looking at the figure.
This time I was interested in doing through fundamentals so gave it a try [1] but failed [2]

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qwerty ·

2(2x1-L)+2x4 = const

i.e 2x1 +x4= const

so 2v1+v4 = 0

x42= x22 + x32

x4v4=x3v3

x3=x4cosθ

so v4=v3cosθ

so 2v1+v3cosθ = 0

1
EmInEm ·

http://www.targetiit.com/iit-jee-forum/posts/area-volume-18431.html

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