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TWO BLOCKS ARE CONNECTED BY A SPRING.THE BLOCKS R PLACED ON A ROUGH HORIZONTAL SURFACE.BOTH R OF EQUAL MASS, WITH CO-EFFICIENT OF FRICTION AS mu BETWEEN BLOCK AND SURFACE.

MINIMUM HORIZONTAL FORCE ON ONE MASS SO AS TO MOVE ANOTHER IS/?

14 Answers

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ronak agarwal ·

is the answer F=2(mu)mg

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hacker ·

well 2(mu) mg [note:even lower F possible in one case guess when??]

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ABHI ·

is the answer (3m/2)(mu)g

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ABHI ·

net force on the right block = F - (umg + kx)
let the maximum extension of spring till the left block remains undisplaced be x0.
so, kx0=umg....
x0=umgk
now since the KE of the left block before moving and the right block before moving is 0, change in KE = 0
so work done = 0

so now integrating [F-(umg+kx)]dx from 0 to x0,
we get, work done = Fx0 - umgx0 - kx02/2 = 0
so from here,
F=umg+kxo2
=umg+umg2
= 3umg2

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prateek mehta ·

for the 2nd body

T-f=Ma

.. for the 1st body

Ma=F-(T+f)

solving these two we get ..

2T=F

Now, if this force is just sufficient to move the 2nd body,
then on considering this limiting case(F->0 r.h.limit)

we get F=T-f (F->0)

so,we get T=f=uMg

since F=2T

therefore F=2f=2uMg

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prateek mehta ·

abhi plz don't involve kinetic energy here,because a non ideal ,friction surface is involved ,due to which there is loss of energy in the form of heat ,that we cannot account for....always make a simple eqn and then examine limiting cases for such qns

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prateek mehta ·

even lower force ..when we start pulling with a compressed spring :)

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Asish Mahapatra ·

abhi's answer is correct . (similar irodov question also there)

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Techboy ·

yes abhi's ans is correct but thanks all for ur valuable time!

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ronak agarwal ·

even i hv the same doubt as prateek....how could u ignore work done by friction here

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prateek mehta ·

n e one out for 's' 'o'ur 's'

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Techboy ·

hey force of friction is overcome by spring force.

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hacker ·

yup!abhirup!!!!but tht day i thought u did not solve the question correctly as u did not reply when i asked u where u got tht zero from.......i know i was obviously doubting a genius but still i wanted to ensure tht u work-energy theorem or just just got tht zero by chance :P :P :P

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prateek mehta ·

why is the role of friction ignored here .. :'( plz n e one help

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