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If f(x) f'(x) f"(x)>0 for all x in R, prove that f(x) is a strictly increasing function

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Anirudh Narayanan ·

k. thanx[1]

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tapanmast Vora ·

CAN NE1 PLZZZ XPLAIN ME HOW EXACTLY IS CELESTINE PROVING THE NECESSARY IN FIRST CASE :

"wen fx bcom -ve , f"x +ve , inc f'x , inc fx so at some pt , theres a minima at fx so f'x =0 contradicting wen fx +ve , f"x -ve "?????

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Subash ·

great proof very clear by theprophet(sir) ie in the link

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Akand ·

this is y=modsinx..........................the previous was mody=modsinx

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Akand ·

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Hari Shankar ·

sorry for the deception there. i hope its forgiven

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Lokesh Verma ·

"The same thing is written more formally by a teacher in another forum. Its in a similar forum, so, with bhaiya's permission :) , I will link it."

Hahaha... now we know the teacher ;)

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Lokesh Verma ·

no issues dude.. as long as it helps everyone i have no issues in linking posts to other forums...

We are not as money minded as some of our peers ;)

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Celestine preetham ·

k

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Hari Shankar ·

Sorry, I had sort of given up after seeing that my point had not been taken. So, I didnt return to this thread :D.

Yeah your solution is right. The same thing is written more formally by a teacher in another forum. Its in a similar forum, so, with bhaiya's permission :) , I will link it.

http://goiit.com/posts/list/differenciation-f-x-f-x-f-x-0-for-all-x-belonging-to-r-prove-84412.htm#403553

There is a theorem he uses for which he has not given the proof. But intuitively it looks right to me if u see analogue to acceleration.

Sorry, if i have broken some rules here. But i learnt something from this problem. So, it may be useful to others here

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Celestine preetham ·

rep
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Celestine preetham ·

reply

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Celestine preetham ·

is f(x) polynomial ?

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Celestine preetham ·

now wat abt my sol is it upto ur expectations

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Celestine preetham ·

yes apoorv is rong understood now prophet ;)

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apoorv ·

f2(x)>0
On differentiation.....
f(x)f'(x)>0..........(1)
similarly........
from f'2(x)>0
we have......
f''(x)f'(x)>0........(2)

Multilpy 1 n 2.........
we have.......
f(x)f'(x)f''(x)f'(x)>0

or
[f(x)f'(x)f''(x)]f'(x)>0
from ques.....
f(x)f'(x)f''(x)>0
so f'(x)>0........
hence d fn is increasin fn..........................

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Lokesh Verma ·

here it is the 2nd one..

but it could stand for the 2nd derivative.. it could stand for fof..

but this generally mentioned...

11
Anirudh Narayanan ·

Is f2(x) fof(x) or [f(x)]2

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Lokesh Verma ·

celestine..

let f2(x) = x2

f(x).f'(x) = 2x but this is not always greater than zero...

Prophet has 100% point in saying this :)

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Hari Shankar ·

how can it be right for god's sake. that too after i have proved it wrong you ask that question. atrocious really

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Celestine preetham ·

[/and apoorvs ans seems right too , i wonder y u told its not the right one

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Celestine preetham ·

f'x never 0 , so either strict inc or strict dec

if strict dec , wen fx bcom -ve , f"x +ve , inc f'x , inc fx so at some pt , theres a minima at fx so f'x =0 contradicting
wen fx +ve , f"x -ve

if strict inc , wen fx bcom -ve , f"x -ve , f'x red , fx further reduce so no constraint
wen fx +ve , f"x +ve similar reason

341
Hari Shankar ·

lets just say that it is accessible to a jee aspirant :)

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Anirudh Narayanan ·

Is question of olympiad level or JEE level?

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Hari Shankar ·

See if f(x)>0 for all x, does it mean that it is increasing throughout?

that means if f(x)>0 it is not necessary that f'(x)>0

Now, consider the question for F(x)>G(x)

Take f(x) = F(x) - G(x)>0. From the above, we can see that F'(x) - G'(x)>0 is not necessary i.e.

F'(x)>G'(x) is not required. Let's see if someone does it.

3
msp ·

nice approach apoorv

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msp ·

nice approach apoorv

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msp ·

nice approach apoorv

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apoorv ·

the example u have given is of a constant fn..........
so f'(x).....f''(x).....fn(x)...etc are'nt existin here.......

neways......if u cud tell d ans......
pls tell!!!

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Hari Shankar ·

F(x)> G(x) does not mean F'(x)> G'(x)

Easy example

F(x) = x2≥0 = G(x) is true for all real x

But we dont have F'(x) = 2x>0 for all real x

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