Magnetism(dbt)

A spiral of two turns with inner radius R and outer radius 2R is placed as shown in figure. Find magnetic field at the centre of spiral.

16 Answers

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samagra Kr ·

integrate this from R to 2R: (μ0I/2x)(dx/2R-R)*2

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Shubhodip ·

please explain why ...u seem to be correct answer has log

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samagra Kr ·

Let inner radius be r,and outer radius be R; and no of turns be N....Now just consider a ring of radius x,
magnetic field at the centre dB=(μ0i/2x)(dx/R-r)(N)

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Debosmit Majumder ·

plz explain what kind of an element are we taking to integrate?

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samagra Kr ·

i m considering spiral to be made up of small rings(continuous).

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Vivek @ Born this Way ·

I presume this sum has come in this year IIT only and also in 2009-2010 NSEP Examination.

@Subho.

You know the magnetic field at the center of a Ring. You just have to extend that idea for many spiral turns.

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Shubhodip ·

i dont agree that spirals are made of rings......

convince me...

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Vivek @ Born this Way ·

The variation of radius can be neglected I think, cause we neglect many such things in physics..

Also, there should not ' 2 ' rings as shown in the figure above. It should be consisting of large closely spaced turns.

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Shubhodip ·

no this is a spiral not closely placed ring.... its equation is abθ

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Vivek @ Born this Way ·

Spring constant is given by k = Gd4/[8nD3]

Where:

k = constant, pounds of load per inch of deflection

G = modulus of rigidity of spring material, pounds per square inch

d = wire diameter, inches

n = number of active coils, which is the number of coils subjected to flexure (always less than the total number of coils)

D = mean coil diameter, inches = Outer Diameter - Wire Diameter.

But we ignore it for our simplicity.

However, If any third party clears the doubt it will be nicer!

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Lokesh Verma ·

The equation can be thought of as

r=kθ+l

Where θ is the angle with the positive x axis, r is the distance of the point from center and k and l are constnats.

We can find k and l because at theta = 0 , r = r

and theta = 4pi, r = 3r

Now can u try?

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aditya ravichandran ·

@shubodip please specify the kind of spiral

you told about the nature of spiral only in #10

So,according to #10
as Told by shubodip , its a logarithmic spiral

r=R\left(2^{\frac{\theta}{4\pi}} \right)

If you notice carefully the dl element is not perpendicular to the radius vector

The figure Shows the angle formed by two curves

Had the curves exactly overlapped then we can use dl x r =dl*r

Since angle is formed ,we have dl x r = dl*r*cos(α)

where α =angle between the tangent of curves at that point

But we can make use of one thing

dl X r=r2dθ θ(cap direction)

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aditya ravichandran ·

@ shubodip

is the answer

\mathrm{\frac{\mu_0 i}{R \ln{2}}}

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Shubhodip ·

ln2 will be in numerator . however pls show me your working...

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aditya ravichandran ·

my attempt :

Consider the element dl as shown in figure

From Biot-Savart Law
\mathrm{dB=\frac{\mu_0i}{4\pi}}\left(\frac{\vec{dl} \times \hat{r}}{r^2} \right) \\ \mathrm{\vec{dl} \times \hat{r}= rd\theta \ \hat{z}}\texttt{ Consider spiral in x-y plane} \\ \mathrm{\int dB =\frac{\mu_0i}{4\pi}\int_{0}^{4\pi}\frac{d\theta}{r}} \\ \texttt{Putting r}=\mathrm{R2^{\frac{\theta}{4\pi}}} \\ \mathrm{\int dB =\frac{\mu_0i}{4\pi*R}\int_{0}^{4\pi}\frac{d\theta}{2^{\frac{\theta}{4\pi}}}} \\ \boxed{\mathrm{B=\frac{\mu_0i\ln{2}}{R}}}

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aditya ravichandran ·

sorry but ln2 is coming in denominator only [2]

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