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hacker
·2010-06-12 08:58:38
well 2(mu) mg [note:even lower F possible in one case guess when??]
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ABHI
·2010-06-12 09:41:45
is the answer (3m/2)(mu)g
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ABHI
·2010-06-12 10:01:46
net force on the right block = F - (umg + kx)
let the maximum extension of spring till the left block remains undisplaced be x0.
so, kx0=umg....
x0=umgk
now since the KE of the left block before moving and the right block before moving is 0, change in KE = 0
so work done = 0
so now integrating [F-(umg+kx)]dx from 0 to x0,
we get, work done = Fx0 - umgx0 - kx02/2 = 0
so from here,
F=umg+kxo2
=umg+umg2
= 3umg2
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prateek mehta
·2010-06-12 10:10:17
for the 2nd body
T-f=Ma
.. for the 1st body
Ma=F-(T+f)
solving these two we get ..
2T=F
Now, if this force is just sufficient to move the 2nd body,
then on considering this limiting case(F->0 r.h.limit)
we get F=T-f (F->0)
so,we get T=f=uMg
since F=2T
therefore F=2f=2uMg
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prateek mehta
·2010-06-12 10:17:14
abhi plz don't involve kinetic energy here,because a non ideal ,friction surface is involved ,due to which there is loss of energy in the form of heat ,that we cannot account for....always make a simple eqn and then examine limiting cases for such qns
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prateek mehta
·2010-06-12 10:20:37
even lower force ..when we start pulling with a compressed spring :)
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Asish Mahapatra
·2010-06-12 22:23:40
abhi's answer is correct . (similar irodov question also there)
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Techboy
·2010-06-13 05:23:48
yes abhi's ans is correct but thanks all for ur valuable time!
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ronak agarwal
·2010-06-13 06:36:58
even i hv the same doubt as prateek....how could u ignore work done by friction here
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prateek mehta
·2010-06-13 06:40:52
n e one out for 's' 'o'ur 's'
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Techboy
·2010-06-13 07:09:01
hey force of friction is overcome by spring force.
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hacker
·2010-06-13 20:31:16
yup!abhirup!!!!but tht day i thought u did not solve the question correctly as u did not reply when i asked u where u got tht zero from.......i know i was obviously doubting a genius but still i wanted to ensure tht u work-energy theorem or just just got tht zero by chance :P :P :P
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prateek mehta
·2010-08-14 09:55:47
why is the role of friction ignored here .. :'( plz n e one help