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AKHIL
·2011-04-05 05:07:18
i think it means the force imparted by the pile on to the hammer , rite??
so , its simple , find the impulse.........and then force can be found out...
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swordfish
·2011-04-05 07:23:09
Why don't you solve it Akhil ? :-p
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varun.tinkle
·2011-04-05 09:11:50
Well i guess.... work power energy gives a nice and convininet explaination....
now first...
initially taking 0 P.E. to be at the ground level....
initially total energy=Mgh
and finally total enrgy= -(M+m)gd
thereofre change=F.s where s= d
Assumption... The masses are point masses
(Ashish could u pls post problems by the proffesor who coaches the indian ipho team for our practises)
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swordfish
·2011-04-05 10:34:57
Its not a perfectly elastic collision. Final total energy will contain energy produced due to vibration, sound etc...
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swordfish
·2011-04-05 10:43:19
I am posting the solution which I rarely do :D
Just before and after the collision, momentum of the two masses is conserved (approximately).
Mv=(M+m)v'
v'=Mv/(M+m), where v=√2gh
Now applying work-energy theorem,
0.5(M+m)(0 - v'2)=-F*d, where F is the resistive force
F=M2/(M+m)d
Now the total opposing force on the system = F + (M+m)g = M2gh/(M+m)d + (M+m)g
Here I made an assumption that the hammer doesnot rebound before travelling a distance 'd' and comes to rest together with the pile.
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Ashish Kothari
·2011-04-06 00:38:15
Varun , my approach was similar, but what Swordfish has done is right. The right answer is indeed M2gh(M+m)d + (M+m)g.
@Swordfish - One question, why is the term (M+m)g included in the total opposing force on the system? [7]
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Ashish Kothari
·2011-04-06 00:42:32
And by the way, are you confusing me with Asish bhaiya (like most people out here do), who is currently in IIT-K? I don't know the professor who you are talking about! [3]
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Vivek @ Born this Way
·2011-04-06 01:06:50
@ashish
(M+m)g will also also because that's the gravitational force of attraction on the combined bodies. The ground has to oppose both the impulse and weight. That's all!
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AKHIL
·2011-04-07 00:04:31
i believe more in giving hints than solving each and evry prob!!!
:P
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swordfish
·2011-04-07 01:04:28
i believe more in giving hints than solving each and evry prob!!!
I think it should be like - 'I believe more in giving hints to be on the safe side rather than solving each and evry prob wrongly!!!' [4]
No Offence
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varun.tinkle
·2011-04-07 21:09:56
Well nice answer
But on the question its very unclear actually confisuing ... I am dammn sure such confusing questions wont come.... in any exam . All the physics we study are based on the assumptions of idealism.... so it should have been clearly specifed that apart from the opp. force there can be enrgy losss. I beleive so.....
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swordfish
·2011-04-08 01:16:39
Energy loss is certain. There is no need to specify it. You never see an elastic collision between a hammer and a nail.
Anonymous
·2018-09-29 16:33:29
While applying work energy theorem wouldn't v consider (m+M )g×d {work done by gravity}??