easier one...

Prove that for all n\ge1, 1+5^n+5^{2n}+5^{3n}+5^{4n} is composite

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Hari Shankar ·

Solution Pending!!

341
Hari Shankar ·

That's right.

To elaborate on what cele is saying, he is using that

1+x+x^2+x^3+x^4|1+x^m + x^{2m} + x^{3m} + x^{4m} when m is prime to 5.

Of course, the remaining part of the thread can be devoted to proving this result and a generalization.

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Celestine preetham ·

ans can be obtained by extending the argument i made in my second post

the path to follow had already been said by prophet sir

lets take

n= 5p.λ

now gvn

= (1+x+...x4) .(1 + x5 ........x5(λ-1)) /(1+...xλ-1 )

where x=5p 1≤ λ≤4

11
Devil ·

I have proved for n as even, but for odd n .....I'm at a lossssss.......

341
Hari Shankar ·

:D

62
Lokesh Verma ·

oh damn.. i did i miss this :P

11
Devil ·

A prime p, (not equal to 5 or 7) satisfies the following property,

p^6 is congruent to 1(mod168), does that help in any way....

341
Hari Shankar ·

celestine should be able to do this, because it was over a similar problem that he and I had our first encounter a long time ago (this should start off a treasure hunt :D)

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Lokesh Verma ·

(1+x+x2+x3+x4)

x2{1/x2+1/x+1+x+x2}

x2 { (x+1/x)2 + (x+1/x) - 1 }

This was all that I could think :(

but that does not seem to help...

9
Celestine preetham ·

its a GP

11
Devil ·

What abt induction?

341
Hari Shankar ·

I just realized that by modifying the problem, it becomes somewhat more accessible.

Prove that if n is of the form 5pq with gcd(5,q) = 1then 1+5^n+5^{2n} + 5^{3n} + 5^{4n} is not a prime.

1
rudra ·

OK so this is not an easier one... I am sorry for my mistake.. I thought this is a GP and some manipulations may lead to the answer..

341
Hari Shankar ·

I have seen the solution. It involves some convoluted factorising.

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Lokesh Verma ·

that was the first thing that came to my mind.. but somehow

1+5+52 =131 is prime! So i din give this hint!

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Celestine preetham ·

still thinking
gvn = 55n-1 /5n-1 = 781 ( 1+...55(n-1))/(1+......5n) = 781Xp/q

where p and q are coprime so 781/q = integer necessarily

when n≠5λ

q cant be 781 ( see why ?)

781p/q = rp with r≠1 so its composite

for n=5 i donno how

341
Hari Shankar ·

to illustrate how helpful that comment is:

consider 1 + 2 + 22+23+24 . This is a GP

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