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Lokesh Verma ·

Iso Electric point is the pH at which a particular molecule or surface carries no net electrical charge.

Let the conc of H+ = x
Let the conc of OH- = 10-14/x

let the dissociation of x be α, of z be β. Then of Y will be α+β

10-4.3=[H+][α]/[1-2α-2β]
10-2.2=[H+][β]/[1-2α-2β]

10-2.2+10-4.3=[H+][α+β]/[1-2α-2β]

10-14/10-9.7=[α+β]/[1-2α-2β] 10-14/[H+]
[H+]/10-9.7=[α+β]/[1-2α-2β]

Eliminate

10-2.2+10-4.3=[H+][H+]/

10-9.7(10-2.2+10-4.3)=[H+][H+]

you get [H+]=5.95

See if this is the right answer...

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Abhishek Priyam ·

Then of Y will be α+β

ye kaise hua?

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Lokesh Verma ·

for no net charge...

because if X dissociates by α.. then there is a -ve charge created

same with Z due to dissociation by beta

So for total net neutral charge the ionisation of Y should be α+beta

See if this logic is right

you guys anyway know how good my chemistry is :D

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Abhishek Priyam ·

but ionisation of Y decreases the charge. and of X Z increases the charge.

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Lokesh Verma ·

yes exactly..

so the net charge has to be zero.. is that only possible if amount of decrease is equal to amount of increase?

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Abhishek Priyam ·

http://targetiit.com/iit_jee_forum/posts/try_try_4355.html

isme bhi same question hai.. aur answer sab dusra diya hai..

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Abhishek Priyam ·

If amount of decrease is equal to amount of increase then finally net charge is same as initial charge, not zero.

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Lokesh Verma ·

I saw that post...

basically if there is a solution.. then you have equilibrium constants..

the total charge will not depend on where you start with!!

will it?

Even there I think you have to consider the equilibrium of NH3+ species at that pH.

I think sky has ignored that altogether.... !!

I saw that post soon after posting the solution to this one....

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Abhishek Priyam ·

http://www.chem.ucalgary.ca/courses/351/Carey5th/Ch27/ch27-1-4.html

isko dekhiye naa... isse B aa raha hai..

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Lokesh Verma ·

in that question..

pKa2 is the equilibrium constant of some other reaction.. between two species...

But then I am not very sure.. you know how good I am at chemistry..

abhee Ihave to go.. when I come back i will think more on this one..

by that time, manish is trying this one :)

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Abhishek Priyam ·

ok

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kamalendu ghosh ·

answer to this is 3.25(pKa1+pKa2/2)

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kamalendu ghosh ·

koi hain??

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Lokesh Verma ·

well the proof of this is given in the link that priyam posted.. but i did not understand it!!

you can read the proof and explanatin there :)

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Manish Shankar ·

Yeah answer will be (pK1+pK2)/2

As the molecule required is HOOCCH2CH(NH3+)COO-

which is between HOOCCH2CH(NH3+)COOH and -OOCCH2CH(NH3+)COO-

so no Ka3 is required

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