Re-exam.............

simply its becasue i cannot take all that presure...of 18hrs a day once again!!

though i m not much a sufferer n does not matter much if they take a re-exam or not for me but for others who suffered from this carelessness from JAB i stand single handedly to support them MR>RAJAT AND MR>ROHIT........u guys r just making excuses to escape re-exam this is symbol of INCOMPETENCE....n i cn say thts y the quality of IIT students is DEGRADING THESE DAYS!!!!!

thnx man!!! m not into a fight here....i think SENSIBLE targetiitians will get my point and even if they dont like it...wont come down to a verbal dual like u..!!.... for oders like u i dont really care....

@ rohit
don't get disheartened! i dont know you. but u should not think of going on for 18 hrs a day again. just revise and be confident- i bet that u can perform at least 15- 20 % better if you avoid stress. Its scientifically tested. Just pursue your passions. IIT or no IIT makes no difference so long as u are following ur own dream. But dont apply for a freakish course at IIT offered to low rankers if ur interest lies in another area of study. I just stated my opinion.
The decision must be YOURS!

why dont u all just leave it on the officials ?? instead of fighting ?

guys, let me tell you...this rick is just a student...not a teacher!!! he is just fooling us !!! donot take his words as the words of wisdom uttered by a great teacher !!!!

@qwerty
If we had left everything to the officials, you would never get your JEE question paper back after the exams. You would never come to know of the blunders. There would have been no RTI nothing at all.

Who would be the sufferers then? Officials or you. Decide for yourself.

I will not call this *fighting* or *verbal duel*. Its just some vigorous discussion among the energetic youth! Thats all.
Whatever we say here, it is to put forward our diverse ideas. We are one- waiting for those mischievous officials to announce what they've decided. Its thy who r divided and didnt post anything till now. Not us!

And you are invited to take part in this discussion if you want to. Otherwise, you can do whateva u feel like that wouldnt waste ur time :D

regards,
RS Zaidi

@suharthy
thanks for the revelation dear. But even if I was a student, where did I try to fool you? Just mention one instance and I would leave posting here. It wont affect me. I stand for each and every child. I am concerned about those students whom I coached. If you guys dont want I wont post but I wont stop my campaign cuz I am responsible towards my job. I just wanted to keep other people here aware of what I was doin. And its not only target iit where I am carrying this on. I also post on icbse, goiit and various other forums. i filed a petition myself at SC and wrote letters everywhere just for the sake of justice cuz I am a fan of the age old british saying "Let Right Be Done".

It is ur choice to believe or not to believe me. I wont say anything about this nor I am trying to force my ideas on anyone. Those who think I am uttering all crap and I am a fake person. Please don't pay heed to my posts.
But I request you not to deviate from the topic of our discussion.

@suharthy
whats ur problem? I just looked at ur profile. It says u r from karnataka! I am a North Indian. I have never known someone from Karnataka. Anyways. I think u r a retarded person or maybe u mistook me for someone else.

@mods
Moderators,
I wish to report post #256 for abusive language.

As always a cool solution.
I appreciate the measures! But I oppose the two way check method and the scaling where more than 2 pages were not printed.

Are you guys satisfied? I think it has answered most of the concerns. And overall I am satisfied.

Its the best possible solution to re-exam.

CORRECTIVE MEASURES FOR THE ERRORS ENCOUNTERED IN JEE-2010 Around 4.72 lakh candidates appeared in JEE 2010 on April 11, 2010. Certain errors in the question papers as well as in the ORS came to light immediately. The IITs sincerely regret the hardships that the candidates may have faced during the examination. The Joint Admissions Board held an emergency meeting in New Delhi on Sunday, 2nd May 2010 to arrive at appropriate corrective measures. The Board observed unanimously that the situation does not warrant the holding of any re-examination and that the remedial measures outlined below will adequately redress the concerns of students arising out of the present situation:

Error 1: The subject headings Physics and Mathematics in the ORS are interchanged. Corrective Measure: Each ORS (both for Paper 1 & Paper 2) will be evaluated in two ways (sequential question number-wise and subject headings-wise). In each case the higher score of the two evaluations will be taken as the candidate's score. Should one of the ways of evaluating lead to a mark below the minimum qualifying mark in one of the subjects, the other way will be deemed to be the ‘higher’ of the two scores.

Error 2: Question 44 in the Mathematics section of Paper 1 in code 4 of the Hindi version was not printed. Corrective Measure: The ORS of the candidates who were given Code 4 of the Hindi version of the Question Paper 1 will be evaluated omitting Question 44 and the overall score for the Mathematics section of Paper 1 of those candidates will be appropriately scaled.

Error 3: The Instructions on “Question Paper Format and Marking Scheme” for section IV in the Hindi version of Paper 2 was wrongly printed. Each question in this section was shown to carry 3 marks instead of 8. Corrective Measure: Each question of section IV of Paper 2 will be evaluated for 8 marks.

Error 4: In a few cases the question paper contained two unreadable pages and two partially readable pages in the Physics section of Paper 1. Corrective Measure: Since the registration numbers of these candidates have been taken note of at the time of the examination, their ORS will be evaluated omitting the unreadable questions and their scores for the Physics section of Paper 1 will then be appropriately scaled. The Joint Admissions Board decided to implement the above measures and to continue to monitor the situation till the process of Admission to IITs/ IT BHU and ISM Dhanbad through JEE 2010 is completed.

WHY DID IIT NEED SO MUCH TIME IF THIS IS WHAT THEY HAD TO THINK. THEY ARE NOT ADRESSING THE ISSUES RAISED. IT IS A FRAUD

Nothing better than this we could have expected ! Myself really satisfied !

@rick & jabbu : By what r u satisfied ?? I think the only measure they have taken is check ORS in both ways

But Dont u think this wud create more problems ??

Ok if this prob is solved also What abt that Hindi version students ??

how can they be evaluated by evaluating their marks without considering unprinted qs???

" " I am i n safe side anyways as most of targetiitians here but this thread is intended to fight for a fair exam ""

So plzzz dont take any offence
(Just a friendly discussion)

its the lamest excuse given by iit for not conducting a re exam
they just wasted time for giving a solution which could be given just a day after or may be the iq level of iit profs is so dam low that they regard this as a solution???????????????????
have they really lost it
or they are more cared abt their jobs than future of 4.65 lakh people
the question is that should iit be in such hands

n specifically they mentioned "The Board observed unanimously that the situation does not warrant the holding of any re-examination"

bad luck is all wat i can say - even I'm qualifying in top 5000 - but i'd prefer a re exam.

1. There were the following widely reported errors in JEE 2010 question papers, mainly in the instructions of the question papers about evaluation and marking scheme:

Error I : The subject headings Physics and Mathematics in the ORS are interchanged.

Main Issues due to this Error 1:

* It created confusion; a plenty of time was lost. Instructions reached quite late to the candidates. The time-gap varied quite widely from center to centre.
* After receiving the instructions, many students have to erase their answers and re-mark them on other portion of the ORS.
* This resulted in waste of enough precious time. Also the impression of the darkening of the wrong-bubble was yet left, which may confuse the OMR as having more than one bubble marked in place of a single right bubble.

IIT’s Correction : Each ORS (both for Paper 1 & Paper 2) will be evaluated in two ways (sequential question number-wise and subject headings-wise). In each case the higher score of the two evaluations will be taken as the candidate's score. Should one of the ways of evaluating lead to a mark below the minimum qualifying mark in one of the subjects, the other way will be deemed to be the ‘higher’ of the two scores.

My Comments :

§ The above correction will not address any of the Real Issues. The main issue is of wastage of variable amount of time due to issuing of the Instructions quite late. Late the instructions were passed, more was the wastage of time.

§ In IIT’s correction strategy, the evaluation would be done in two ways – it would have helped if the INSTRUCTIONS WERE NOT PASSED AT ALL, and the students have marked in their own ways – either by the question paper or by the ORS.

§ Since the instructions were passed, every student marked the answer in one unique way as per the instructions. Therefore, there is no possibility of any student not following the instructions. The evaluation of ORS in two ways will not help at all.

§ The Major problem by evaluating in two ways and taking the higher score, will depend on the RANDOM - MATCHING of Physics answers with those of Mathematics, and vice-versa. THIS WILL YIELD RANDOM SELECTION in which wrong choices of one subject has the possibility of matching with the correct choices of the other subject.

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Error 2: Question 44 in the Mathematics section of Paper 1 in code 4 of the Hindi version was not printed.

IIT’s Correction : The ORS of the candidates who were given Code 4 of the Hindi version of the Question Paper 1 will be evaluated omitting Question 44 and the overall score for the Mathematics section of Paper 1 of those candidates will be appropriately scaled.

My Comments :

§ A candidate, who got such misprinted question, will suffer the most by scaling the marks of a candidate because “scaling of marks” is proportionate to the average of the marks, in general.

§ This approach is OK from Statistical Point of view, though, in this case, it is an individual who is affected. The Statistics CANNOT neutralize an individual.

§ The average marks of JEE 2009, were only 11/160 = 7% in Mathematics. Thus, a student, on an average, will get only 7% of the marks, which is equal to 0.21 marks instead of 3 marks, if he had attempted. A score, on an average, of 0.21, is added to the score, which is NOT OF WORTH MENTIONING.

§ It may be noted that the average of Maths in JEE 2010 may be less than that of JEE 2009. This will make the matter worse; effectively a score of less than 0.21, on an average, would be added on scaling.

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Error 3: The Instructions on “Question Paper Format and Marking Scheme” for section IV in the Hindi version of Paper 2 was wrongly printed. Each question in this section was shown to carry 3 marks instead of 8.

Main Issues :

§ Each question carries 4 parts. Thus, as per English instructions, a student who does one part out of 4, gets 2 marks for each part (partial marking). THIS WAS NOT INDICATED ANY WHERE IN HINDI VERSION.

§ This was not the case in Hindi. A student can score 3 marks if and only if all the FOUR PARTS WERE CORRECT. Second, the question, which was for 8 marks, needed much more time to solve. In JEE, time is always at premium, a student sees that one can get 3 marks, only after making all the parts correctly, (s)he did not try to attempt.

§ There were 6 questions in all, thus a student, with HINDI version, looses all the 48 marks for no mistake of his own.

IIT’s Corrective Measure: Each question of section IV of Paper 2 will be evaluated for 8 marks.

My Comments :

§ This is one of the MAJOR MISTAKE for which IIT did not COME with ANY SOLUTION

§ This is very natural to say that each question will be evaluated out of 8 marks.

§ The main issue is that in the absence of any partial marking instruction and seeing the low score for such complex question, students did not attempt this question. How this could be addressed, is not taken care of.

§ THE proposed correction is no RESPITE to students with HINDI papers. They will continue to suffer.

Error 4: In a few cases the question paper contained two unreadable pages and two partially readable pages in the Physics section of Paper 1.

IITs Corrective Measure: Since the registration numbers of these candidates have been taken note of at the time of the examination, their ORS will be evaluated omitting the unreadable questions and their scores for the Physics section of Paper 1 will then be appropriately scaled.

My comments : Students will be severely affected due to the same reason as given in Error- 2. Average score of Physics in JEE 2009 was 8/160 = 5%. Thus, a students will get, on an average, as score of extra 5% on sliding.

IIT Completely overlooked the following:

Error V: IIT has completely ignored the BIGGEST AMBIGUITY Instructions for Section II of Paper I and Section IV of Paper II, by which a candidate can score 93 marks by blindly darkening all the corresponding bubbles and without attracting any penalty due to No-Negative Marking for wrong answers.

In Section II: 5 questions x 3 marks x 3 subjects = 45 marks; One or more correct answers (partial marking); NO NEGATIVE MARKING for incorrect answer. Instructions are the following:

Instructions say there are no negative marks, and there is partial credit for answers. If some candidate darkens all bubbles then (s)he could deserve full credits. Since there is no negative mark for any wrong answers, one can not deduct marks for darkening the wrong bubbles. All right bubbles are any way marked, so one has all correct answers marked along with wrong bubbles for which there are no negative marks. Therefore, as per instructions, marks cannot be deducted.

Indeed there were such questions in the past JEEs when all the four were correct. The following is the example from JEE 2008 given below: (solutions and model answers are available on JEE site.)

From the above model solution, it can be seen that all the four choices can be correct. Then, how an answer by having all the 4 choices can be treated as null and void, as told by Professor Nataraajn in the press earlier, that anyone who would darken all the bubbles, will make his answer null and void. THE ABOVE EXAMPLE IS A COUNTER EXAMPLE.

Similarly, in Section IV of Paper II

-- Section IV (Matrix Type) : 2 questions of 8 marks each in each subject = 48 marks. Any given statement in Column I can have correct matching with one or more stalemates of Column II. NO NEGATIVE MARKING for incorrect answer. There is a possibility of more than one correct matching. A student who does all the 5 matching can get FULL 2 mark in each statement of Column I, because, all the right bubbles are marked any way. THIS AMOUNTS TO 2 x 4 x 2 = 16 MARKS in each of Maths, Physics and Chemistry = 48 marks.

Below, we include a sample question from JEE 2008, Paper-II, in which all the 5 matching were correct.

It can be seen that there existed problems-model answers from the past JEEs, in which full marks are scored by darkening all the bubbles. THIS HAS BEEN IN PRACTICE. Students had scored in the past full marks by darkening all the bubbles. The OMR software will work as per the instructions, as printed. THIS MAY A POSSIBLE JEE SCAM, by which many students have been scoring full marks by exploiting ambiguity in the instructions. These are the matters on which coaching Institutes have the expertise. This may be the reason that in the past there have been news of having more than 20 selections from a single room of a JEE centre. IIT HAS BEEN COMPLETEY SILENT ON HOW TO ADDRESS SUCH AMBIGUITY?

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Error VI is also completely overlooked :Out of syllabi questions amounting to 6 marks in Physics and 3 marks in Mathematics; there may be others which can be revealed by carefully scrutiny of the paper. Additionally, there were unnecessary complicated and lengthy questions in Mathematics which can neither be solved within the stipulated time nor within the space for rough work as provided in the question paper.

I am attaching the link for the rororo post. The same is in orignal format and has good presentation for effective comprehension

http://eklavyajee06.blogspot.com/2010/05/iits-error-corrections-cannot_02.html

Can be used for PILs.

Could some of the supporters of IIT remedies give a clear and comprehensive counter argument.

I am sure u shall all agree to this annalysis......................

IITs are trying to defraud the nation and makking fools of themselves. It would be better if they had the guts to admit the obvious i.e they have goofed up and it can not be rectified in a just & fair manner without retest

I THINK IIT DELAYED THIS EXPLAINATION WHICH EVEN LESSER MORTALS ( IIT THINKS THEY ARE GOD ) COULD HAVE COME UP IN A DAY OR SO FOR IT IS SIMPLISTIC AND FAR REMOVED FROM REALITY SO THAT THERE IS NO TIME FR CONDUCTING RE EXAM.

@jabbujabbu
very well dear! i was expecting it from ya!
:D

@cute_cat
I also studied Law as a minor during my MS degree just for the fun of it ;) a boon of dual degree my friend :)

@ all
i said its the best solution if re-exams cant happen. I am not supporting this sh*t over re-exam.
well the thing is that the dronas of today have won over the Hindi belt support to their side.
Just think of this. They spent the same amount of time in answering less question than you did. And on top of it- they would be getting scaled marks for question they didnt even attempt on the basis of their performance in the question they attempted.
Seems like the poor hindi belt we were talking of has benefited the most. or maybe its to please Nitish Kumar.
India at its real political best :D

I suggest that whoever wants to present a counter agreement should now make it to the courts. We cant expect these politicians to rectify their mistakes.

I will add these explanations to my Litigation cuz it seems good enough!! and now dont expect Nitish or any hindi belt state to retort. they must be satisfied now.

And my wishes to those who are *safe* :D

No one is in safe hands. You are in the hands of God now with such people around. I mean they didnt even have the slightest shame in mentioning that the answer was unanimous.

And I say I strongly agree with rororo where he comprehensively mentioned the errors!

What I feel now is that the english belt is at a disadvantage now. just how lucky it is to have less number of pages in your question paper. solve less questions in the same time and get marks for those you didnt answer on the basis of the ones u did.
How i wish I was born 14 years later and i cud know this policy of IITs in advance. what I wud have done would make u laugh- but not the directors at iit :D
I would tear out the questions that I didnt knew and throw them out of the window. and then I would tell the examiner to note my registration no. I would do all the left over questions and demand scaled marks over the questions i threw out :D How easy it is to crack JEE :D its a common joke now.

Around 4.72 lakh candidates appeared in JEE 2010 on April 11, 2010. Certain errors in the question papers as well as in the ORS came to light immediately. The IITs sincerely regret the hardships that the candidates may have faced during the examination. The Joint Admissions Board held an emergency meeting in New Delhi on Sunday, 2nd May 2010 to arrive at appropriate corrective measures.
The Board observed unanimously that the situation does not warrant the holding of any re-examination and that the remedial measures outlined below will adequately redress the concerns of students arising out of the present situation:

Error 1: The subject headings Physics and Mathematics in the ORS are interchanged.
Corrective Measure: Each ORS (both for Paper 1 & Paper 2) will be evaluated in two ways (sequential question number-wise and subject headings-wise). In each case the higher score of the two evaluations will be taken as the candidate's score. Should one of the ways of evaluating lead to a mark below the minimum qualifying mark in one of the subjects, the other way will be deemed to be the ‘higher’ of the two scores.

Error 2: Question 44 in the Mathematics section of Paper 1 in code 4 of the Hindi version was not printed.
Corrective Measure: The ORS of the candidates who were given Code 4 of the Hindi version of the Question Paper 1 will be evaluated omitting Question 44 and the overall score for the Mathematics section of Paper 1 of those candidates will be appropriately scaled.

Error 3: The Instructions on “Question Paper Format and Marking Scheme” for section IV in the Hindi version of Paper 2 was wrongly printed. Each question in this section was shown to carry 3 marks instead of 8.
Corrective Measure: Each question of section IV of Paper 2 will be evaluated for 8 marks.

Error 4: In a few cases the question paper contained two unreadable pages and two partially readable pages in the Physics section of Paper 1.
Corrective Measure: Since the registration numbers of these candidates have been taken note of at the time of the examination, their ORS will be evaluated omitting the unreadable questions and their scores for the Physics section of Paper 1 will then be appropriately scaled.

The Joint Admissions Board decided to implement the above measures and to continue to monitor the situation till the process of Admission to IITs/ IT BHU and ISM Dhanbad through JEE 2010 is completed.

SEE THIS LINK

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1100503/jsp/nation/story_12405716.jsp

EXPOSES IIT FRAUD

If solution for OMR is 2 way evaluation why did IIT give instructions on day of exam to mark as per question nos. forcing students who had marked as per heading to change and waste time